208 over this matter-we are not. Young Jo is a different man from old Jo, and don't seek to gather all the faithful together, that he may use them politically and financially as the Brighamites do. There is nothing objectionable in young Joe's church, that we have heard of, except his creed, and as to creeds we have nothing to say."-Carthage Gazette, December 26, 1877.
The foregoing, while decrying the character of our father, as we fully believe unjustly, does ample justice to the policy of the Reorganization, and is as fair a commendation as we could expect from one so long, so avowedly, and so strong an enemy to the "Mormons." . . .
We promised the people to lay the matter before the Saints; and have done so. About four hundred names are appended to the invitation, comprising the mayor, John U. Bechtold; the post-master, A. W. Burt; the richest business man of the place, George Ritter; and a host of our old neighbors, L. C. Bidamon, A. Wetzell, S. M. Walthers, A. Fischer, C. Walter and many more; may their kindness never be less, but their prosperity much more.
On January 27 and 28 Elder J. C. Clapp met a Brighamite elder in discussion at San Bernardino, California. The Times of that city had the following to say of the debate:
The discussion between Elders Crosby and Clapp came off at the Mormon church last evening, as per announcement. Crosby stated the belief of the Utah Mormons in regard to polygamy and other peculiar ideas of that people, and Elder Clapp proved from various quotations from the Bible and elsewhere that things there were all as they hadn't ought to be. As a discussion it was entirely a one-sided affair, and Clapp gained an easy victory. The discussion will be continued at the same place this evening.
The following items are from the Herald for February 1, 1878:
Mr. E. N. Beach, of Saguacho, Colorado, whose visit to the ancient ruins of Southern Colorado we have before mentioned, has kindly sent us some specimens of pottery, and some petrifactions. He mentions the extensive ruins and the large buildings that once were, some of whose lower or basement rooms he entered, the upper portions being fallen in and the dirt accumulations of ages having filled up as high as the first story. He thinks that that region must once have been bountifully productive. Reservoirs and ravines show that they understood irrigation well. Rivers now flow through and cut in two the ruins of what were once vast buildings, some of which he judges contained as many as a thousand rooms each, and walls yet standing show that they were at least three stories high and how much more can not be told, only there are vast quantities of debris all along the base of these
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