| 346 "Don't know anything about their stealing. Joe and his father got drunk once."
"Where was that?"
"It was in the hay-field; Joe and his father wrestled, and Joe threw the old man down, and he cried."
"What did he cry for?"
"Because Joe was the best man, I guess."
"What did they drink to make them drunk?"
"They drank cider."
"Got drunk so they could not walk, on cider, did they?"
"No; they could walk, but they cut up and acted funny."
"Did you ever see them drink, or drunk, any other time?"
"No; not as I remember."
"What kind of a woman was the old lady Smith?"
"I don't know; I never was at the house. She was kind in sickness."
"Quite a number here in town, to-day, have told us it was two and a half to three miles from Palmyra to where the Smiths lived; how is that?"
"Yes; it was about three miles."
(How Jackaway lived within half a mile of town and only a mile from them he did not explain.)
"Where was Joe when he was translating his book?"
"At home; it was translated in the farmhouse."
"Mr. Gilbert, across here, said it was done in a cave; now you don't agree? What does Tucker say?" (reading Tucker).
"They all differ. Now, Tucker has a statement from Willard Chase in his book, and Chase said Tucker never called on him at all to find out what he knew."
Lady.-"Yes; I have heard Willard Chase say Tucker never even asked him for what he knew, and Chase lived next door to him, too. Chase is dead now."
"Well; did you ever see Hurlbut or Howe, that published works?"
"Yes; Hurlbut came around first, I believe, soon after the thing started, and they had gone to Kirtland, Ohio, trying to find things against them; and there have been a good many around trying to connect Sidney Rigdon with them."
"What kind of men were Martin Harris and Oliver Cowdery?"
"Harris was an industrious, honest man; lived north here, two miles. The Cowderys were as good as the general run of people. Have you seen Doctor Stafford? He lives at Rochester. His father, William Stafford is the one that furnished the 'black sheep' Tucker tells about there."
"He is? Well; do you know about that?"
"No; only what Tucker says there."
Taking leave of the Jackaways, in due time we called upon Doctor John Stafford, at Rochester, New York. He is now a retired physician, being too aged and infirm to practice. Answering a question as to the character of Joseph Smith, he said:
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